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Many of you know Ivan Zhao as one of the co-founders of Notion. He’s doesn’t appear much in media, so it was quite nice seeing him in Lenny’s podcast.

What you’ll learn:

1. How Ivan "sugar-coats" complex visions to make them more appealing
2. Navigating through product resets and code rewrites
3. Why Notion focused on systems over hiring
4. The importance of balancing craft and technical excellence
5. How Notion survived a critical database space crisis during Covid
6. Their community growth strategy
7. Ivan's journey from small-town China

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